Jesus as the Essence of Coherence

In this episode, Dr. Ray discusses several topics about God.  These are: 1) Why God must be outside of structure, 2) the nature of idol worship and how it is a consequence of trying to force God into structure,  3) God The Father as the source of coherence and God The Son as the essence of coherence that touches creation, 4) the after life and why it is important to follow Jesus, and 5) the nature of coherence/Jesus/The Logos and how it/he manifests through ethics. 

This is the first episode where Dr. Ray explicitly speaks with the goal of bringing people to Jesus.  If you are secular and have been listening for a long time, this is a great opportunity to gain a better understanding of Christian theology as understood through the Bottom Turtle lens.  So stick around and I hope you can go on this journey at the very least to understand how a theoretical physicist understands Christianity.

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In this episode, Dr. Ray explains why company must be outside of structure and Jesus' identity as the essence of coherence. Welcome to the Bottom Turtle Podcast. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Bottom Turtle Podcast. I'm theoretical physicist Dr. Shannon Ray. And sometimes I wish I could record more often. It's like my mind has to be in a particular have to be in a particular state of mind to want to record. As you guys all know, I am now a Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ. And you know, as a disciple of Jesus, one of the things that we're meant to do is spread the gospel to save more people. You know. And before converting, the idea of proselytizing always felt like a dirty thing. Like, you know, you're imposing yourself on other people. You know, you're I don't know. A part of me is I really never wanted to do. But, you know, also a part of me is I want to share my feelings and my thoughts and what I believe as a as an invitation for someone to just listen if they want to. And I suppose, you know, I have this platform, I have this podcast, I have people who listen to it. And for some reason, like this transition to being a Christian, there's always this part of me that even if I'm trying to communicate my Christianity through my podcast, it feels like I'm imposing it somehow. And definitely some past conditioning preventing me from opening up. But I I do find myself wanting to talk about Jesus. It's actually pretty interesting to find myself on the opposite side of this fence. Um, I was talking to someone a little while back who is not on the opposite side of the fence. You know, they're curious about Jesus, they're curious about God. Kind of think about where I was four years ago or something like that, three years ago, for those of those of you who listen to the podcast. And like especially if you listen to my episode, um, The Faith Component, and I talk about the idea of my Jesus Vector and the fact that I couldn't quite believe in the resurrection and all that. But now I'm on the opposite side of the fence. And the thing that I really truly believe, like to my core, is the idea of life after death and the idea of being saved. And I feel very relieved that I have accepted Jesus and it's given me like a comfort in the sense of like what I expect when I die. And I think that that's really important. And I feel comfortable and safe in my decision. I put my faith in Jesus. But the problem with that is that to truly believe that really does mean that you're like allowing other people to not have the same sense of comfort and comfort and safety as as you. It's almost like I was in a in the ocean drowning, and I found this this uh boat and I climbed in it and I feel nice and safe, and then I'm just letting everyone else drown. And that's the part that's like, I need to talk about Jesus. Like I can't take what I believe and just like not impose it on other people, I guess. And what I mean by impose, I mean just share it with people. I mean to not share it on the platform that I have now for the very for the few people who actually listen to it is just is mind-boggling. Like as a as an actual believer, it doesn't really make any sense. And so, you know, the way that I process Jesus and God, I can pretty much guarantee that it's not gonna be something that most people hear. I can guarantee that it's going to be something different. Because, again, for those of you who listen to the podcast, logic and reason is very important to me. And so, as Oyanni was saying in the uh episode Follow the Symmetries, where he's like, one of the things that's great about the language of this podcast is that you always know how you got from A to B. It's not like a scrabble board where the word boy is in the corner of the board and you're like, How did that get there? Get that out of here. It's not connected to anything, it's just randomly over there. That's not how this game works. How does this connect to the board? And so for me, when I started studying Christianity, like it connected perfectly to the board of the language of the podcast. And so I was just in my room putting my youngest son back to sleep, and I was just thinking about the idea of who Jesus is, and for the broader sense, who or what God is. And one of the most important things about the nature of God is that God does not exist in structure, he's uncreated. So, what does it mean to be uncreated? Why is it so important in Christian theology that God is uncreated, that he's outside of creation? And the reason why is because you have to think of creation as structure. And structure is something that arises and then falls, the law of impermanence in Buddhism again. Like you have to understand how much the theology of Buddhism and Christianity lines up. That's another reason what convinced me to believe, because as you know, I started studying Christianity and Buddhist Buddhism at the same time. Buddhism. I started studying Christianity and Buddhism at the same time after I developed the lens of the language of the podcast. So for me, in my in my studies and my and like how I got to where I am, it's almost like a three-pronged lens that I was using to examine both of these religions at once. And one of the and one of the most important things is the idea of the law of impermanence, which is with the idea of what is created. So structures are things that are temporary. You know, think of the structure of your house. Think of the structure of a society, you know, your identity, for example. Go back to the nomination that representation principle. For every physical configuration, there is an associated mental state or a spirit. You know, there's a vector pointing in the space of concept or the space of spirit or the space of metaphors. And so to maintain a certain identity, there's an idea of like there's a connection to whatever physical structure is like summoning or housing the spirit associated with an identity. And so as your physical structure changes, your identity changes. And this is precisely why in Buddhism they they look at that stuff as being uh an illusion, like it's not real because it's not permanent. And so that's the nature of structures. They are part of creation. And as in Christianity, you have the separation between heaven and earth. So you gotta you gotta think of creation and structure, the realm of creation and structure as being like the earthly, the temporal. It's temporal, temporary. And so part of God's nature is that God is eternal. Again, this is true in both Christianity and Buddhism, even though in Buddhism they don't call it God, but it's it's emptiness. And you know, there are some caveats. I mean, after the Buddha reached nirvana, he started calling himself the Tathagata and started speaking as though he was speaking for the eternal uncreated, the the speaking as the eternal uncreated essence or whatever. So, like, think of that as you will. But but that's part of the that's part of God's nature, the this idea of the eternal versus the temporal, heaven versus earth. And so that's part of the nature of God. And so the eternal is outside of structure. And in other words, part of the nature of God is that God is the foundation of structure itself. It's like it's like the source of structure. God is the source of structure, the source of order. That's what you have to think of. The fact that there is structure at all. You know, structure as it manifests through language so that you can comprehend what I'm saying. Structure as it manifests in the fact that your body is made up of molecules, of DNA, of information. It's not all random noise. There is coherence. There is coherence to reality. And so that's what God is, like the eternal foundation order that allows for structure. And that's why it's outside of structure. You see, God has to predate structure. The eternal has to predate structure, it has to be the source of structure. So structure arises from the source, the source is non-arising. And one of the things I I posted a um a comment on YouTube recently, and I was talking about the idea. Ah, I wish I could just matter of fact, I just I got it right here. Yeah, what did I write? Let me look at this up real quick. Yes, perfect. I'm glad I have this here. It says, if the source slash essence of objectivity can be contained within an object, then that object must be contained with within all other objects, within the reality anchored by that objectivity. Uh so yeah, so I'm saying like if the source or essence of objectivity can be contained within an object, a single object, then that object must be contained within all other objects, within the reality anchored by that objectivity. Therefore, the object is contained within all, and thus the objectivity is not contained in the object. The real cannot be totalized by the symbolic order, do not worship idols. So, like, let's break that down. What I'm saying is is that and this is so think of object and structure as being synonymous, if you're wondering why I'm bringing this up. Because you know, an object must must be a thing you can hold. It's like, you know, I mean it should be obvious. Object and structure are synonymous. So the idea is that if you hold an object in your hand and you say to yourself, This object right here is the source, it's the foundation of all objects in reality. So it is it is the it is the foundation that holds reality together such that when you look at an object, when you look at a structure, you can say it belongs in this reality. If a single object is the foundation of objectivity for a reality, it's the anchor of that reality, then that means that the essence or nature of that object must be found in all other objects. Because it's the anchor, it's it's it's the scrabble board. It's the scrabble board. You see? There we go, perfect. It's the scrabble board. And so every single object must be a word connected to that object. And so because that uh object is the anchor, then everything will contain its essence. What which means that objectivity cannot be contained within that single object. Because it has to be everywhere. So you're saying something like the ink the nature of objectivity is within the single object that I'm holding in my hand, which means that it has to be connected to everything, which then you take the essence of this thing, and now you've diffused it into every single thing that that the object that that is in the reality, anchored by that by that thing's objectivity or that thing, you know what I'm saying? So what I'm saying is that within the structure of reality, which I think has an ontological basis in quantum mechanics, is that reality consists of the space of structure and the space of non-structure, you know, as a duality. Space of emptiness, entropy, openness. And so God is always outside of structure. It's like it's God is in between structure. The anger of reality itself is found outside of structure. It's outside of an object. That's what I'm saying. It's outside of an object. And when you say that it's in an object, you are committing idolatry. And this is something that when I listen to, because I listen to a lot of um Christian apologetics on YouTube, so you know, God Logic, David Wood, um, which is apologetics road show, radar apologetics, who I've came across uh recently, Ash Mays. Um Radar Apologetics um and Ash Mays are both Jewish. They're both um uh well, radar is a messianic Jew. Ash is a former Orthodox Jew who has um converted to Catholicism, who's now Catholic. And when I listen to when I and they have conversations with um other, with like with a lot of Orthodox Jews, people who are currently uh uh Jewish, and um I listen to these people, these these this you know network of Christian apologetics, and I never really hear anyone articulate idol worship in a way that is like seems as though it's clear. But this is part of the nature of idol worship. It's saying something like God's essence itself can be contained in an object. If God is the foundation of reality itself, that's like part of God's nature, is that like it's the glue that holds everything together. Is it's not an object. It can't be contained in an object. It pre exists, it predates object. The objects exist because of God. God can't be an object. There would be no object without God. God has to be outside of well outside of object, outside the structure. So he's inside that emptiness part of this reality of my of my model of reality, which again I think has an ontological basis in quantum mechanics. So just think of this binary information, entropy, constraints, freedom, emptiness, like the Buddhist focus focus on the whole, the emptiness. And so God is always outside of structure. Hopefully that hopefully you you understand why. And this is and this was the particular initial thought that made me initiate this this recording. It was thinking about the nature of Jesus. Who is he? And I think of the Father as the source of coherence and Jesus as the nature of coherence that actually interacts with creation, with structure. Because again, imagine God the Father as being the essence of coherence, the essence of order, but as being the essence of order, he cannot be an object. He is outside of structure. To say otherwise is to be confused about what is God. And so, as the essence of coherence of order itself, any structure must be imbued with that essence. Without coherence there is no structure. And so the nature of coherence must have contact with creation. Like it's almost laughably obvious. It's laughably obvious, assuming you accept my premise of the essence of order as being the father. But I think my argument about the essence of order being outside of structure should be clear. And I think it aligns very well with Buddhism. They come to the same realization, the emptiness is the anchor of objectivity, is the anchor of reality, the emptiness, the thing outside of structure, because any structure be is is begotten from it. And so if if the structure is begotten from it, then that means that this essence of order must be infused inside of all structure, must be in contact with it, must be interacting with it, must be touching it. And this is something that that people need to get comfortable with is the grayness between the binary. Like they think that when I I I you might think that when I say there's the space of information, order, structure, the masculine, the space of emptiness, freedom, entropy, the feminine, that this binary is actually clear, but there's a boundary between them, the boundary is fuzzy. There is no clear separation between these two things. And so Jesus as the Son is the nature of order that touches creation, that is infused in every aspect of creation, the logos, the word. He is the very essence of coherence itself in relationship with the created beings that live within creation, manifested into reality as a paradox, the God man, A and not A. Look up and down simultaneously. And that's the thing, it's like what we are are created beings made in the image of God. What does that mean? It means that we have a whole, we have a lack. That lack is the emptiness. It's our freedom, it's our source of free will. We have an awareness of this lack, of this emptiness, which is the basis of desire and drive. This is basic Lacanian psychoanalysis. It's our it's it's our source of subjectivity. Go back and listen to my episode, The Made in the Image of God principle and the foundations of ethics, and then listen to my poem, The Heart of Things, at the end. So we're made in the image of God in the sense that, well, we have this whole, but all structure, as I've always argue, is incomplete. There is no exactness, there is no exact state of anything. And this is where the quantum manifests, manifests in these holes. But what we have is something like an ache, an awareness of our lack of our whole. And this hole is basically our symbolic vaginas. And it's like our attempt to explain things with thoughts is a is an attempt to imp is to impose structure on our openness. It's an attempt to try to fill the gap with structure. This is the idea of our symbolic penises going into our symbolic vagina. And I'm not saying this to be funny. I'm dead serious. Because again, when someone tries to convince you of an idea, of a thought, of a language, of a spirit, of a mode of being, of an ideology, they're trying to put their spirit in you. Because then that spirit gets stored as structure in your physical system. Your location in the space of concepts and the space of configuration changes when you start when your worldview changes. Which means how you behave and act changes, which means your spirit changes. So you better be careful on what you let inside. You have your border, your structure, your principles, your beliefs, what you protect. Do you just let any random thought or idea in your head, do you let anyone control what you believe and think? No, you guard it. You put a wall around your vagina, your symbolic vagina, your hole, your lack. And then you try to pursue things to fill it, things that are fulfilling, things that give you meaning, things that give you purpose. And for me, it was a realization of all of this and seeing Jesus in the center of the lack. Because this entire language I've created of the podcast, the entire reason why I became a physicist, all of it was designed to justify myself. I'm not stupid. I'm a person of value. Chasing this thing down, constantly creating structure and logical arguments so that no one can hear what I'm saying and think he's stupid. So I so I I said, like I've said before in previous episodes, I'm a coward. Like I said in the faith component and creating order beyond meta-level zero, keep mentioning I'm a coward. That's the reason why. I have to I have to make sure. So, in other words, I was clinging to logic and reason and science. Logic, reason, science, truth. I exalted them to my God. I said that explicitly before I started believing in God again, like right around the time I was getting my PhD, finishing my PhD work around 2016, I I had to become to a realization that oh, I've exalted these things as God, but they're not sufficient because it tries to close the hole. You can't close the hole. Anything that attempts to close the hole is an idol. Entropy is an eternal truth. You can't get rid of it. And so the fact is that believing in the resurrection requires a leap of faith. It's like you're not going to get a logic-reasoned thing that convinces you of this. Like logic and reason get you to the back can get you to the edge of the cliff, like it did me. It can get you to the edge of the cliff. Like, man, this Bible seems to be so coherent and consistent. It's beyond reason. Like, where did this thing come from? Like I was saying earlier about my fro the fractal nature of the language of my podcast. You see that same structure in the Bible. And then you see it in Buddhism, and you see it in your podcast and your language that you've developed after living on the earth for 30 some odd years. You see the language you've developed, you're pretty confident that it's perfectly coherent or at least 90% coherent, 95% coherent. You know there's some there's some holes somewhere, but you know that for the most part it's like 90% makes logical sense. I create I make observations at meta-level zero, and then I use logical observations that anyone can verify to make steps across the symmetry so that you don't get lost what I've been saying the entire time. And so you're pretty certain that you've constructed something like an algebraic structure that is perfectly coherent or mostly coherent. And then you start using that to examine things like Buddhism and Christianity. You see the same coherent structure, like what is going on here? And that that sheer coherence is enough to get me to think, okay, what is this? What is going on here? Makes you really start seriously considering things like did the nature of coherence itself take on a bodily form and come into existence to try to make us all coherent, which is to correct original sin where original to sin, where sin is associated with distortion, lies, deceit, trying to create reality in your own image, making your own ego, your own sense of self, your idol, to the point where you're willing to cling to your conditioning, to cling to your conditioning as opposed to letting go of things that you believe because it can harm your sense of self even though it's not aligned with reality. I don't know how many people have ever interacted with someone who is so deeply ingrained with sin that you can literally walk to them and tell them that the grass is green and they'll tell you that it's polka dot neon blue, and you're like, what the what is going on here? If you don't think that you don't operate that way, and that the vast majority of people operate in this way where they're just isolating themselves from reality and living in this bubble of nonsense that's totally incoherent and makes no sense, that's sin, yo. It is having attachment to the way you want things to be even when they're inconsistent with how things are, and you're willing to lie to yourself and make yourself delusional to maintain belief in it. It is to reject reality, it is to reject co coherence, it is to reject Jesus. And so the nature of coherence itself, the word, the part of God that actually is participates in creation because the laws of physics, when X and Y because of Z, you can't jump off a building and then bounce like a basketball. You're gonna splat. Airplanes fly because of lift and the way airfoils are designed to thin out the air on top, to create a pressure on the bottom, to create lift. There's certain things about reality you don't get to reimagine. You can reimagine them as long as they're coherent. Sound. How sound is your version of reality? How sound is your identity? How coherent is it? Most people are incapable of letting go of the idol of themselves to want to live in reality. You have to understand how pervasive this problem is. It's way however bad you think it is, it's way worse than that. And so, Jesus, as far as I can tell, is the aspect of order that actually touches creation, but the essence of order itself is always outside of it. And so part of the thing about death. Oh, yeah, and this is why I was bringing up this thing earlier. I kind of went off on a tangent. So because you yourself are this being that lives, that is both made of structure, but also has the essence of God, so you have this emptiness whole thing that's connected to the eternal outside of structure, and you're aware of it. Go back, listen to Ryan and I's episode on the subconscious and the conscious, the feminine, the masculine, the nature of how that actually affects who you are. Always asking yourself, who am I? You're always trying to look at what made me do that? Why did I do that? Why do I think this way? It's like always trying to look behind yourself to see what's controlling you. And then when you see what's controlling you, you go, ah, that's why I did that. That's who I am. Coming from the void, your muse. Anyway, so because you have this dual essence, it seems to me that when your physical body dies, this other part of you that is not made of the physical, what happens to it? Because again, the idea is the idea of your eternal self. There's something like to what degree is your physical self, your temporal self, aligned with your eternal self? And when those two things are aligned, then you're neo from the matrix. Where at every moment you're like, oh, this is what this is what God wants me to be doing. This is me fulfilling my purpose. You've let Jesus into your whole, into your lack, and now you're spiraling with him, so that the structure that you create from your actions and your beliefs are coherent. It's like Imagine a father or a mother who is sacrificing their life and they know for a fact that if I sacrifice my life in this moment, my children will live. And they just do it. Not confused, maybe a little scared, maybe not, and maybe they're just like, nope, I don't even gotta think about it. Done. That's a perfect alignment. And so if it is the case that you live out of sin while you're alive, then you're not aligned. The self that you're attached to is all trapped in the temporal part, the structure part. When the structure dies, then that thing's gone. It's not tethered to the your eternal essence, it's not tethered to coherence. So instead of looking at your glorified self, the name that God gave you, your glorified self, which will be the muse that speaks to you, the more you repent and align yourself with God's will. This is the idea. The more you uh you remove the delusion from your eyes and start functioning through a relationship with the essence of coherence itself, then the structure you create as you ask yourself, who am I, and you reveal more of who you are through your actions, behavior, and through your faith, the more, the more you act out of that, the more you get to know yourself, you come to truly know yourself, both your temporal created part and the eternal part. But here's the thing it's that when you're born, your identity that you have is tied to the context in which you were born. And so it's something like the structure has an identity associated with it. But as I've said before in previous episodes, you know that the configuration that is Shannon or that is O Yanni is eternal because it has to be consistent with the laws of physics. To be a physicist is to conceptualize the reality using the symmetry of the universe. So you have the laws of physics that gives you a set of configurations of the universe that are valid versus the ones that are not valid. So if you observe someone like Oyanni, then you know that he's valid, which means that potential of O Yanni coming into existence always existed. It existed 10,000 years ago. At no point in time during the history of the earth was O Yanni's configuration not a valid possibility of reality. It's an eternal thing. But what version do you get of him? Do you get a corrupted sinful version? Or do you get one who's more aligned with coherence, such that when his muse speaks to him and he's acting out of something that just appeals to him, something that he privileges being a designer? Why? Why do you do that as opposed to someone else to become the chef of why? Who am I? But you have to purify your channel with the openness, with the thing that speaks to you from the void. The more you do that, the more you can act in a way that doesn't have to be explained or justified. You just do. You flow, you let go of fear, and you and you can become neo from the matrix. But when you do that, while you're alive in a temporal sense, then it's like you know where you are in the eternal sense. And I think that that's the thing. It's like your eternal body can exist without the needing of the temporal one, the structured one. But if you're completely full of sin and you have no idea who you are in the eternal sense, then I think you just kind of like wither and die. Like you just you just stop existing or something. Or maybe it's like what the Buddha say with like the karma, and you're like, who knows? But something happens to you, and it's probably not good. And this is the thing that I'm relieved about after converting. Uh, or something else I wanted to say, I forgot what it was. Okay, I remember what I wanted to say. This is the last thing I'll say. So it's really important that I communicate why I believe this, like. But it goes down to this argument I make for the foundation of ethics. That you, if you listen to this podcast, you've heard multiple times. So, yeah. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, you guys, for people who are consistent listeners, and you guys will already know this argument. When it comes down to the nature of ethics, it's the idea of being made in the image of God, Jesus' first command, and Jesus' second command. Love God above all else, with heart, mind, and soul, and treat your neighbor as yourself. So, again, this idea that God is the foundation of objectivity. And so, no matter what identity you have, whether it's chef, gymnast, artist, whatever identity you've entered into, and to whatever degree you've purified that relationship, the realm of reality, the structure associated with that, the space associated with that identity, the nature of objectivity that manifests that identity is always outside of it. It'll be infused with everyone within the identity, but it'll also be outside of it for the reason that I explained earlier in this recording. And so, again, God is always outside of it. And so, if there's another identity, so your identity itself is an intersection of all of these identities you have. So God is then is infused inside of each one of those identities, but also always outside of it. So as you follow Jesus' first command and love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, then you will always be expanding out. You'll never stop on an identity and go, oh, this identity is where is where it ends, because that's the whole object argument. Oh, that's an object, it's a structure. God can't be contained within the structure. He's responsible for the structure. So he has to predate the structure. Structures have to arise from God, from the nature of coherence, of order itself. So it can't be contained within a single object or a single identity. So if you're gonna follow Jesus' first command, you gotta keep on expanding out. But as you keep on expanding out, never saying that the true essence of God is any particular identity, but it's contained within all identities, because the identities couldn't exist as a coherent thing at all without God, then you start to align yourself with your eternal self as you as you purify each one of your relationships with every identity you have. Because then by purifying your relationship with this thing that's speaking from the void, where you're being sincere and really engaging with this thing sincerely, as you purify that relationship, you must purify the relationship with all others who have heard the same call, thus loving your neighbor as yourself, thus removing the sin within the structure that destabilizes it, making everyone aligned because they enter into the relationship of their own free will while respecting the way in which everyone else is made in the image of God. This is the foundation of all of ethics. I think it's the objective truth of it. And any attempt to perturb it, you'll either be demonstrating yourself to think that you want to control other people's essence, or you think that whatever identity you have is truly God, so everyone has to follow you. Like you have some sort of power to control other people. Like you're gonna be revealing something really dark about yourself, I think. And I've I and I've I've talked about this in my last episode about the Zootopia thing, about the nature of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. And um, I don't know if I've communicated this to you guys, but it essentially it essentially functions as, and I mean, go back to my episode on Christian ethics on the um episode on uh Christian forgiveness and um devs, devs and Christian forgiveness, go back and look at that episode, and I talk about the idea of the discontinuity, the disruption of momentum of wanting justice or revenge and replacing that with grace. So, in other words, if you're joined in identity, you're in a relationship with another person, and they're acting out of sin, then they're gonna harm you. But if you're the being who's basically like an infinite cold bath, and I'm talking about in thermodynamic sense, warm bath, cold bath, heat moves from hot to cold. And so if you have a cold bath, then you have movement of heat from the hot to the cold. But as the heat moves from the hot to the cold, the cold warms up, eventually um you reach equilibrium, then everything is the same temperature, and then you have no potential for work. That's death. Just so you know, that's death. And so, if you have a cold bath that never gets cold, then you always have the potential for work. And so the idea is that if you're functioning in this way, in which someone is acting out of sin, and you start reacting out of sin, then that sin reflected back, looking for justice, whether it's justified or not, it starts putting heat into the realm of the identity that is shared between the two people who are amplifying sin. You're spreading heat everywhere. Whereas if everyone understands, well, we all suck and we're all full of sin, uh, and when someone else sins against me, I'll forgive them and hopefully they'll do the same for me, then everyone starts functioning as like cold baths that reduce the temperature so you can maintain your relationship, so you can rem so you can remain coherent. You do it because you're emulating Jesus, and so Jesus is like the ultimate cold bath, cold reservoir that can infinitely take on sin. That's why he has to die and enter into and actually enter into death and conquer it itself. Because death is the result of sin. So in other words, it's something like when you die, it might not be that you just die from your physical form and then you're the death, it's just over. Assume there's something else. There's another way to die even after death, and that belief in Jesus is the thing that tethers you to coherence so that you remain alive. This is like in in Christian theology, like you have this idea of this glorified body, your eternal body. Yeah, so to me, what I'm saying about the whole idea of ethics is that it seems pretty clear that this ethics maximizes coherence, and that when you behave ethically across all intersections, all identities that you have, then it's like aligning them all together, as opposed to taking your identity as a male and elevating it above your identity as chef, so that when you are invited to go into a cooking competition as an expert chef judge, and you say that the men win because of your nepotism and solidarity with your identity as a male, thus creating reality that is inconsistent with what with the coherence of the fact that the women made better food, you see, you've inserted the distortion, you inserted a lie. And so when you have because you have all these intersecting identities, that means that you exist within all the realms associated with with each one of those identities, which means that if you've exalted one of your identities above another one, you can use that to inject sin. Because you've because instead of treating all of those other chefs equally as your neighbor, as your actual self, and wanting to be as sincere as possible, they called me here because of my identity as chef, not because of my identity as a guy. Therefore, I must try to give the most righteous and clear and sincere and honest ruling based off of what I genuinely think sincerely about the food that I'm eating. Not because I have a dick and they have a dick. And when you do that across all of your identities, it lines everything up. Think of these Alex Graycosm um paintings. Um that particular one, what's that Alex Gray Cosm? What's it called? I don't know. I'll post it. It's the one with the um the faces all facing in different directions. If you look, if you look at the center one, then it creates Mandela because mandelas are associated with maximum coherence. Anyway. Um, yeah. And okay, and then the very last thing I'll say is that this experience of alignment, such that, yeah, this experience of alignment through ethical, loving, sincere interaction with others who have purified their identities to a sufficient degree, purified their local neighborhood, the degree to which like the this ex this this what I'm saying to you isn't merely like a theory. This is what this is what happens when you interact with another person who is like sincere and honest and loving. It's almost like like when talking to Ryan or talking to Dario or talking to Phil or talking to um Reasonable Fede, it's all these people that I keep mentioning in the podcast, um, talking with Oyanni. It's like when you talk with these people, you can always see, oh, that's me. You are me. There's a symmetry between our identities. So, in other words, that person is it's like when you interact with reality sincerely and react with other people sincerely in a coherent way that's aligned with Jesus, then when you start to see this other sincere person, you start seeing the intersection between your worldview and their worldview, your identity and their identity. They ent and they and they enter into your lack. And you're looking into that part of yourself that you didn't know, that whole, and you start seeing them inside of it. And you feel this deep resonance. Like again, that Earth, Wind, and Fire song, um uh fantasy, where it talks about this idea that um when you meet these people who are living out their fantasy, which means they're functioning out of the mode of listening to their muse, and they've become neat like neon the matrix, and they're they're living out of their mode of their fantasy um in like a cosmic aligned way. And you start interacting with them, you and you you realize it's your life in review. You start seeing them in you. And this is why when I read that part in genre, it's like, I you know, I want them, I you know, the way that what Jesus is praying the Way that you know the father than me and the way that I'm in the father make them to be in the in me and the father. Like he's talking about us like everyone being inside of each other. This is this nature of like purifying yourself so that when you act and behave, what's coming out is truly sincere, which then be starts becoming a true reflection of coherence, which then starts becoming a true reflection of the Father. So that the Father and the Son, everyone is inside so and then it's like the way in which you're made in the image of God, the way you reflect God depends on your orientation with the nature of coherence itself, the nature of objectivity itself. And I think that our glorified cells being zero sin, it's like two mirrors. Like take two mirrors and face them next to each other, and you get this uh recursive uh image of it recursively going down, that's what you get in the gray cosmic picture. That's what happens. And you can see it on this earth when people are sincere, aware of who they are, open, not full of lies and delusions. You can experience that. And you can experience that within your own self. Because again, like I said in the episode Um Mind to Computer Algorithms, I believe, talk about the idea of you being a composite being as a singular being, as a singular self. I think I also mentioned this in spirits and waveforms, as a singular self. You you can be aligned or misaligned with yourself. And when you align with yourself, then you start feeling the amplified signal. And these are the type of experiences I was having when I came to believe in God again and when I decided to make this podcast. I'm telling you, the language of this podcast is an algorithm, it's a it's a code. And the number of times I've had these experiences where I start thinking about like a relationship with a family member. I remember this time having this thing, just thinking about my relationship with O Yani, how I love O Yani, how I love my family. Like you have these thoughts and you start thinking about it, and the podcast, the language of the podcast, just starts processing this relationship. It starts aligning everything, and you start getting this really high amplitude signal. Anyway, I think that's enough. Hopefully you guys understand what I'm saying. Recently I had some uh a lot of uh downloads in in Asia and and it's like really weird. Like suddenly I was getting like like someone was downloading uh like hundreds of episodes. It was crazy. Um I don't know what was going on. I don't know who you are. Um I don't know if you're still listening, but welcome. Uh reach out at the the bottom turtle podcast at gmail.com. Um and uh, you know, if anyone wants to come on the podcast and have a conversation with me, just let me know. Anyway, thank you guys for listening. Talk to you later. Peace.